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Ver 1.1, Dixieland Jazz Mailing List (DJML) 
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
 
 1.  What is DJML?
 2.  Who administers the DJML?
 3.  Who hosts the DJML?
 4.  How is the DJML supported?
 5.  Who started the DJML and when?
 6.  Who can belong to the DJML? 
 7.  How do I subscribe to, and unsubscribe from the DJML?
 8.  What is the difference between subscribing to the Regular format
     and the Digest format?
 9.  Which format, Regular or Digest, is better to subscribe to?
10.  How many people belong to the DJML?
11.  What is the charge or fee, if any, to subscribe to the DJML?  
12.  If I subscribe to the DJML, how many messages can I expect to
     receive per day?
13.  What does "unmoderated" mean in reference to the DJML?
14.  What are the DJML Policies?
15.  What is the meaning of the word "flame"?
16.  What specific guidelines (content) should I follow when posting to
     the DJML?
17.  When replying to a message that has been posted on the DJML, how do
     I indicate to whom I am replying?
18.  How do I decide what the title or subject of a message should be?
19.  How much information should be included with my signature on a
     post to the DJML?
20.  How should I handle a deliberately nasty or abusive message on
     the DJML?
21.  I have a picture, piece of sheet music, or some other document that
     I would like to share with other members of the DJML.  How do I do
     this?
22.  May I send attached files or encoded messages to the DJML?
23.  Is it OK to use HTML when posting to the DJML?
24.  May I post a message to the DJML warning of a e-mail computer virus
     or of some other non-jazz related subject?
25.  What is "Netiquette?"
26.  When responding to a message on the DJML, how much of the original
     message should be quoted?
27.  How can I read past messages that have been posted on the DJML?
28.  I sometimes see acronyms, or groups of letters used in postings to
     the DJML.  What are the meanings of the following?
29.  What is :-) and other cryptic strings of characters?
30.  I am sending e-mail to someone who I know has a good address.  But, 
     the e-mail is bouncing back (being returned) to me.  Why?
31.  What is Jazz?
32.  What is Dixieland Jazz?
33.  Where does the term "Jazz" or "Jass" come from?
34.  Who was the ODJB?
35.  Who was Jelly Roll Morton and did he really invent Jazz?
36.  What is meant by the terms "2 Beat" and "4 Beat.", when applied to
     Jazz?
37.  I was removed from the mailing list.  Why?
38.  I am receiving the mailing list, but I can't post.  Why?
 

1. What is the DJML? The DJML (Dixieland Jazz Mailing List) is an unmoderated (See #13), Internet mailing list, created and maintained for the free exchange of information, ideas and thoughts, pertaining to America's original art form known as Dixieland Jazz (See #31 and #32), Classic Jazz or Traditional Jazz. This type of jazz is often referred to in postings to the DJML by the acronym "OKOM", (our kind of music). (See #28) 2. Who administers the DJML? The DJML is maintained by Randy Wood (RandyWood@dixielandjazz.org) 3. Who hosts the DJML? The DJML is provided free of charge by Islandnet in the memory of DJML's founder, Peter Lovric. 4. How is the DJML supported? The DJML is provided free of charge by Islandnet of Victoria, BC and no donations or paid memberships are solicited. 5. Who started the DJML and when? The DJML was founded by Peter Lovric on March 13, 1995. Peter passed away on September 8, 1997. 6. Who can belong to the DJML? Anyone who has Internet access may belong (subscribe), free of charge, to the DJML. 7. How do I subscribe to, and unsubscribe from the DJML? There are two subscription options, "Regular" and "Digest". Before subscribing, read #8 and #9 for an explanation of these options. You may subscribe to the regular format of the DJML by doing the following: Send an e-mail message to: dixielandjazz-request@listserv.islandnet.com with just the word "subscribe" (no quotes) in the subject area, and no text at all in the body of the message. To unsubscribe from the regular format of the DJML, do the following: send an e-mail message to: dixielandjazz-request@listserv.islandnet.com with just the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject area, and no text at all in the body of the message. Note: If your server won't accept a message that has a blank text, try just putting 1 space or perhaps a couple of dashes in it. For an explanation of the 2 subscription formats, see #8 and #9. You may subscribe to the digest format of the DJML by doing the following: send an e-mail message to: dixielandjazz-d-request@listserv.islandnet.com with just the word "subscribe" (no quotes) in the subject area, and no text at all in the body of the message. To unsubscribe from the digest format of the DJML, do the following: Send an e-mail message to: dixielandjazz-d-request@listserv.islandnet.com with just the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject area, and no text at all in the body of the message. Note: If your server won't accept a message that has a blank text, try just putting 1 space or perhaps a couple of dashes in it. For an explanation of the 2 subscription formats, see #8 and #9. 8. What is the difference between subscribing to the Regular format and the Digest format? REGULAR FORMAT: If you are subscribed to the regular format, messages posted to the List will be sent to you directly after they have been posted. DIGEST FORMAT: If you are subscribed to the digest format, messages posted to the List will be held until there are 20 or 30 messages. Then, all of these messages are sent to you in 1 large message. 9. Which format, Regular or Digest, is better to subscribe to? This is strictly personal preference. There are advantages to both formats. REGULAR FORMAT: If you subscribe to the regular format, you get an almost instantaneous copy of any messages that are posted to the list. You are then able to reply immediately to the list. However, remember that the DJML is a very busy list with sometimes as many as 60 or 80 messages being posted in 1 day. This can overwhelm some subscribers, especially if they are new to an Internet mailing list. DIGEST FORMAT: The DJML digest format stores up 20 or 30 messages and then sends all of them to you in 1 large message. Some people feel that by receiving the 1 large message, it is easier to handle off-line, (download and sort). a. Valuable on-line time is not used up. b. Your telephone line is not tied up for long periods of time. c. You can more easily & efficiently sort the messages. d. If you don't have time to read the DJML today, you can just delete a single message instead of several dozen. Of course, if you have unlimited time or a separate phone line then you don't have to worry about (a) and (b). Remember, subscribing to the digest format means that messages are delayed so that you do not get the posted message immediately. Thus you can not then send an immediate reply. However, most of the time this delay is negligible. 10. How many people belong to the DJML? The amount of people who are subscribed varies from day to day. However, there is at present over 600 members. 11. What is the charge or fee, if any, to subscribe to the DJML? There is no charge other than the charges you must already pay to connect to the Internet. 12. If I subscribe to the DJML, how many messages can I expect to receive per day? The DJML is a very busy mailing list. The amount of messages that you could receive in 1 day will vary. However, you could expect to receive as few as 20 and as many as 60 - 80 messages per day. 13. What does "unmoderated" mean in reference to the DJML? The DJML is an unmoderated mailing list. This means that the messages that are posted to the List are automatically distributed to all members without being censored. Because of this, it is every member's responsibility to follow common guidelines for email etiquette, (netiquette), (See #25), and accepted DJML policies, (See #14). 14. What are the DJML Policies? a. Be polite and courteous. b. Don't Flame. (See #15) c. Don't disparage other people's questions or opinions. d. Be tolerant and forgiving - A lot of folks who find themselves here are new to Dixieland, computing, the Internet and electronic mail. e. Give folks the latitude to make mistakes. If you feel that it is necessary for you to correct their mistakes, be polite and courteous. Be constructive about it and do so via private e-mail - not publicly on the DJML. f. Humor of course, is always welcome, as long as it pertains in some way to Dixieland Jazz. (See #29) g. As a general rule, refrain from posting off-topic messages. (See #16) h. Do not post personal messages on the DJML unless they are of interest to the entire membership. (See #16) i. When replying to a previous post, identify the person who originally posted the message. (See #17) j. When choosing a title for your message, try to use words that accurately convey the content of the message. (See #18) k. Always sign your postings. (See #19) l. Do not reply to rude, abusive or malicious postings. (See #20) m. Never send encoded messages or attached files to the DJML. (See #21, #22 and #23) n. Never send chain letters or virus announcements to the DJML (they're usually bogus). (See #24) o. Remember, e-mail etiquette (netiquette). (See #25) 15. What is the meaning of the word "flame"? A posting that is intentionally abusive, disparaging or in some other way negative towards person(s) rather than fact(s). From the Foldoc Computing Dictionary: An electronic mail or Usenet news message intended to insult, provoke or rebuke, or the act of sending such a message. Sometimes a flame will be delimited by marks such as "flame on...flame off". A good rule of thumb to follow on flaming is: don't say anything on the mailing list that you wouldn't be willing to say to someone's face. 16. What specific guidelines (content) should I follow when posting to the DJML? The DJML was established as a cyberspace gathering place for people who have a common interest in Dixieland Jazz. (See #1) Thus, it is generally considered inappropriate to post messages on the DJML that do not, in some way pertain to, or closely relate to, Dixieland Jazz. The DJML is a friendly list. Because of this, a certain amount of off- topic bantering is bound to take place between friends. However, posting personal messages addressed to one other person and messages that are not of interest to the membership in general should be avoided. Bear in mind that there are hundreds of members from all over the world subscribed to the DJML. Before posting a message ask yourself the following questions: a. Does the subject matter relate to Dixieland Jazz? b. Is the subject matter of interest to the membership as a whole? If the answers are "no", send your message via private e-mail. 17. When replying to a message that has been posted on the DJML, how do I indicate to whom I am replying? When replying to a message that has been posted on the DJML, identify the person who originally posted the message that you are replying to. Example: "On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:02:28 -0600, Betty Jane wrote in part:". Most email clients will insert this information automatically when replying to a message. 18. How do I decide what the title or subject of a message should be? When choosing a title for your message, use words that accurately reflect the content of the message. If you are replying to a posting and the content (direction) of the message has not changed, use the same title, adding the word "Re:" as the first word of the subject. (Note, some e-mail programs will automatically add this word for you.) If you are replying to someone posting and the content (direction) of the message has changed, change the title to reflect the new content of the message. To make the transition from old subject to new subject on the same thread, you might consider using both titles. Example: (Rhythm Sections - Tuba.) 19. How much information should be included with my signature on a post to the DJML? The DJML is a friendly mailing list. While on some lists people prefer to remain anonymous, it is a commonly accepted practice on the DJML to sign postings. We suggest that you give your name, city, state and country and your e-mail address. You may also wish to include other information such as your snail-mail address, telephone number, FAX number, web site, instrument, band affiliation, etc. However, if you post to the DJML often, avoid lengthy tags as they become annoying to other members when seen over and over. 20. How should I handle a deliberately nasty or abusive message on the DJML? If a deliberately nasty, abusive and malicious posting should show up on the DJML, DO NOT dignify it by replying. Refrain from referring to it in other messages that you may be posting. Acknowledging such postings merely feeds the ego of the sender and accomplishes nothing. The problem will be handled by the DJML maintainer. The offending person will be warned. If the problem persists, the offender will be removed from the mailing list and his/her address will be blocked from resubscribing. 21. I have a picture, piece of sheet music, or some other document that I would like to share with other members of the DJML. How do I do this? NEVER send encoded or attached files via the DJML. (See #22) If you have material that you would like to share with members of the list, post a note stating what you have and ask that anyone desiring the information e-mail you privately or provide an address (such as a web page URL) where the information can be accessed. Then send the information as requested privately, not via the mailing list. 22. May I send attached files or encoded messages to the DJML? DO NOT send attachments to the DJML. This includes: - images (JPEG, GIF, TIFF, BMP, PCX, etc) - sounds (AIFF, AU, WAV, SND, MP3, etc) - MIDI files (MID, MIDI) - compressed archives (ZIP, Stuffit, SEA, etc) - other binary files (EXE, COM, other executables) - anything else big (more than a few kilobytes) These attachments are large. They: a. Bog down the mailing list server. b. Flood the mailboxes of hundreds of users who might not want the attachment. (Many users cannot accept large attachments so they bounce back to the mailing list administrator. He then has to spend many hours wading through the returned mail.) c. Fill up the storage disks on the DJML archives. (See #27) Basically, the only acceptable type of posting is human-readable text - and even then discretion is a must. 23. Is it OK to use HTML when posting to the DJML? All messages sent to the DJML should be in plain text. Many newer email clients allow HTML format email to be sent so that fonts, colors, and other information can be used to stylize the text. While this at first seems like a very nice feature, not everyone has such an email client and so this formatted text is crowded with "tags" that can be very confusing. Here is an example of what the tags might look like to someone without an HTML-capable email client (and this is just a small snippet that merely says "hi all"): Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 = HTML//EN"> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hi All,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> 24. May I post a message to the DJML warning of a e-mail computer virus or of some other non-jazz related subject? DO NOT post messages such as computer virus warnings, potential telephone company rate increases, or any other mass mailing chain letter type of messages. Besides being off-topic, most of these messages are hoaxes. Posting such messages on the DJML flood the mailboxes of hundreds of users. They also take up valuable disk space in the DJML on-line archives (See #27) For up-to-date information on computer virus hoaxes, see: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html 25. What is "Netiquette?" "Netiquette" is etiquette on the Internet including electronic mail. It is nothing more than simple common courtesy, common sense and consideration for others. 26. When responding to a message on the DJML, how much of the original message should be quoted? You may quote a small portion of the message that you are responding to as this will remind others of the subject matter. However, DO NOT quote the entire message. Edit out any unnecessary parts. Remember, excessive quoted material can make your reply difficult and boring to read. It is also unfair to others who may be paying for their on-line service by the minute. The excessive quoted material, when accumulated in thousands of messages, take up valuable space in the DJML Archives. (See #27) 27. How can I read past messages that have been posted on the DJML? All messages that are posted on the DJML are saved and are available to be read. You may do this by going to the "DJML Search" Page at: http://www.islandnet.com/djml/archive.html and following the directions. 28. I sometimes see acronyms, or groups of letters used in postings to the DJML. What are the meanings of the following? ASAP = as soon as possible BFD = big (expletive deleted) deal BTW = by the way BYAM = between you and me DJML = dixieland jazz mailing list F2F = face to face (a get together or gathering of members of the DJML) See http://www.islandnet.com/djml/meet.html FWIW = for what it's worth FYI = for your information IMHO = in my humble opinion IMO = in my opinion ITMT = in the meantime ISP = Internet service provider (company that provides your Internet access) LOL = laugh out loud MKOM = my kind of music ODJB = Original Dixieland Jass Band (See #34) OKOM = our kind of music (See #1) PITA = pain in the *rear* ROTFL = rolling on the floor laughing ROTFLMAO = rolling on the floor laughing my *rear* off RTFM = read the (expletive deleted) manual SPAM = unsolicited computer generated e-mail, (usually some sort of advertizement or chain letter.) SPAMming is considered to be a serious violation of netiquette and can result in the loss of your Internet account. (See #25) TIA = thanks in advance TKOM = their kind of music URL = universal resource locator (The Internet adress of a web site) YKOM = your kind of music 29. What is :-) and other cryptic strings of characters? These are "emoticons", icons which express some emotion such as humor, anger, irritation, irony, and other facial expressions that can't be conveyed electronically like they can in person. They are sometimes referred to as "Smileys." The classic smiley is :-) If you tilt your head to the left you'll see two eyes, a nose and a smile. Smileys are also very personalized. People like to create their own smileys. For example, the DJML maintainer is also an avid downhill skier so he uses the smiley 8^) since the 8 looks like ski goggles. The ^ is the nose. Here are some more smileys: :-) = smiley :) = smiley :-( = frowning ;-) = winking :-P = sticking out tongue The unofficial smiley FAQ can be found at: http://www.newbie.net/JumpStations/SmileyFAQ.html 30. I am sending e-mail to someone who I know has a good address. But, the e-mail is bouncing back (being returned) to me. Why? There are several reasons for email to bounce back to you. If you're absolutely sure that you have the correct email address (you might consider calling the person to verify), then you might be experiencing one of the following: a. The user's mailbox is full and their system won't allow any more incoming mail. b. The user's account is no longer active (perhaps they didn't pay their bill or changed their ISP). (see #28) c. The system where the user receives mail is down. d. The network between your ISP and their server is down. Usually a bounced email message will give you some information as to why the mail bounced. In many cases, just waiting a few hours and trying again will solve the problem. If the user's account is no longer active, then you'll probably need to get a new address for that person. You may be able to get information by writing to postmaster@ (the server that you are trying to get e-mail to.) 31. What is jazz? Contributed by Brian Towers Jazz is America's original art form. It is a type of music that evolved in the late 1800's and early 1900's. It was strongly influenced by Ragtime, the working blues of slavery days, spirituals and gospel songs from the church, marching military bands from the civil war era, vaudeville and the concert hall. Rhythm and dynamics owe much to black roots (but by no means exclusively), harmonies and instrumentation coming from Creole or white roots. Some essential ingredients are melody, rhythm, improvisation, emotion, occasional vocalization, counterpoint (i.e. each instrument playing a role in the ensembles in a certain manner). See the "Red Hot Jazz Archive" at the following address for sound clips, photos, and other useful information about the roots of Jazz: http://www.redhotjazz.com/ 32. What is Dixieland Jazz? Contributed by Chris Tyle Dixieland is a term used by the general public to identify jazz music from the era prior to big-band swing. The name came into being from the Original Dixieland Jass Band (q.v.), but they used it to simply indicate where they were from (the South, specifically New Orleans), not as a description of what they played, which they called Jass or Jazz. The term "Dixieland" generally refers to jazz music played in an improvisational, contrapuntal style, with a group consisting of trumpet, clarinet, trombone, piano, bass instrument, banjo and drums. 33. Where does the term "Jazz" or "Jass" come from? Contributed by Randy Wood Many etymologists have tried to pinpoint the exact origin of the word Jazz or Jass. There are many disputed origins of the term, all from seemingly reliable sources. Regardless of the word's roots, in the early 1900's "jass" was yet another 4-letter slang term for "sexual intercourse" and was not a word used in polite society. From this use, it also came to mean "excite" as in "jass me" or "excite me". When Tom Brown brought his band northward, Chicago union members who objected to the non-union New Orleans band described their music as "jazz music", implying it was whore-house music. Though the term was meant as an insult, it was affectionately adopted as the term used to describe this new musical style (see #31 and #32). Tom Brown claimed that the negative connotation actually was good advertising as many folks came out to hear for themselves what "jazz" music was. Cafe owners would soon put out signs in front claiming "Jazz band here tonight" to draw a crowd. Another disputed fact is how "jass" became "jazz". Some say that when pranksters removed the "J" in "Jass" on posters advertising the music, the "s" was changed to "z" to avoid the embarrassing result. Others believe that jass/jazz were interchangeable terms before it was applied to the musical style. Another version is that the "s" was changed to "z" to avoid using the original term which was a "dirty" word. Yet another disputed fact is which band was the first to use the word "Jass/Jazz" in its title. Some claim it was the Original Dixieland Jazz Band was the first (see #34). Eric Townley claims in his 1976 book "Tell Your Story" that it was Stein's Dixie Jass Band that used the term first. 34. Who was the ODJB? Contributed by Chris Tyle The ODJB, or Original Dixieland Jazz (Jass) Band, was a group of five musicians (Nick LaRocca, cornet; Larry Shields, clarinet; Eddie Edwards, trombone; Henry Ragas, piano; Tony Sbarbaro, drums) from New Orleans, who went to Chicago in 1916, then to NYC in 1917, where they performed and made the first recordings of the music called jazz. Louis Armstrong stated that the ODJB "Was the first group of musicians from New Orleans to record our kind of music." The ironic thing is that they were all white. Editor's note: The ODJB is alive and well as Nick LaRocca's son Jimmy is carrying on the legacy of his father. Their web page can be found at: http://members.aol.com/ODJBjazz/jazz.html 35. Who was Jelly Roll Morton and did he really invent Jazz? Contributed by James Dapogny. While it is obvious that no one person invented Jazz, in a letter to DOWNBEAT magazine in August, 1938, the legendary pianist and composer, Ferdinand Joseph LaMothe aka Jelly Roll Morton, claimed that he created Jazz in 1902. According to his baptismal certificate, Morton was born in New Orleans, October 20, 1890. He died in Los Angeles, July 10, 1941. Print: "Mister Jelly Roll", Alan Lomax, (Currently out of print.) "Mr. Jelly Lord", (Bio-Discography) Laurie Wright. Recordings: Library Of Congress, made May-December, 1938, with interviewer Alan Lomax, contain interviews and performances, available on several labels (none American). 36. What is meant by the terms "2 Beat" and "4 Beat.", when applied to Jazz? Contributed by Bob Ringwald Most jazz songs are written with 4 beats per measure. In "2 beat jazz," the bass instrument ie (tuba, bass, bass drum, left hand on a piano) plays the first and third beats of the measure. The second and forth beats, (off beats) are played (accented) by the banjo, guitar, symbols, snare drum, right hand on the piano, etc. In "4 beat jazz," the bass instrument, as well as the guitar or banjo plays all 4 beats. The bass drum may play all 4 beats, or may just play accents from time to time. 37. I was removed from the mailing list. Why? If your account is unavailable for 4 deliveries in a row, your email address will be removed from the list. The mailing list software does this to avoid the returned or "bounced" mail which will come back when it's undeliverable. To see why your email address may not have worked, see #30. 38. I am receiving the mailing list, but I can't post. Why? Typically if you are receiving the DJML but you can't post a message to it, it's because you have the address wrong. Be sure to post to: dixielandjazz@listserv.islandnet.com If you are sending your message to the correct address, but the message doesn't go through, then it's probably bouncing to the list administrator. This can happen if your email address changes. Often when you change your address, your old address will forward mail to the new addres so you'll continue to receive the DJML. However, since you're now posting from an address that's not on the list, and since the DJML only accepts posts from subscribers, your new email adress appears to be unknown and the mailing list software won't allow it. To resolve this problem, unsubscribe your old address and subscribe your new one. If you can't unsubscribe the old one, contact the list administrator for assistance (See #2).
Thanks to the following for their assistance with this FAQ: Lowell J Busching James Dapogny Gerald S Gordon Bill Gunter Bill Horton Tamas Ittzes Gary Kiser Karen Quick Brian Towers Chris Tyle Randy Wood


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