Message Board
I have taken down the message board temporarily. The spam problem was getting difficult to manage, and it was deleting all valid posts. Life was simpler back in The Summer of '69!
I have left up past messages, in the hope that people will still connect! A new solution will arrive soon.
In the meantime , send me a note if you want something posted.
Cheers
I have also added the Old Guestbook, to August 31st, 2004. You may find some other friends there.
Date: October 30th, 2006To all BRATS. To explain this situation. As a result of stringent requirements put in place after the 9/11 New York attacks, those of us who were born overseas are now finding that we are in a status snafu. On reading the letter you will see that the C15, Canadian registration of birth abroad is no longer considered a legal proof of birth for Canada. You will have to apply for a Canadian citizenship card. If you don't apply you will have difficulty in renewing your passport, driver's licence etc. People misunderstand the citizenship card. It has 2 purposes. It is proof of citizenship for landed immigratns and it is a foreign birth certificate for Canadians born abroad. If any of you are in this situation then either email me at christina2031@shaw.ca or phone me at 604 541 9846. I will give you the directions of who to contact for you to apply for your card. Christine Eden Chiarperson for the R.CA.F. BRATS citizenship status.
I have 2 subjects that need posting. One is about the BRATS citizenship status. Maybe you could send me your phone number and I will phone you. The issue is Brats are having issues with their status due to the C15 birth abroad certificate having been cancelled by Citizenship and Immigration Canada. They have to turn this in and replace it with a Canadian Citizenship card. Mmany misunderstand and think they are applying for Canadian citizenship. The card has a dual purpose. One being proof of citizenship for landed immigrants and the 2nd being a Canadian Foreign birth certificate for Canadian born overseas. Without this you cannot apply for pensions, new passports and driver's licences etc. This all came about because of the 9/11 New York attacks. I am the chairperson working on this and I have a letter of authorization which can be used when you take that C15 and apply for the card. You can go on to www.grostenquin.org and go on the brats message area and you will see many messages around this. One concern I have is that whilst we have found resolution the citizenships dept will not make any public announcement that we are in this scenario and many will not know until the apply for passport renewals and then they will have to wait up to a year to resolve this. The 2nd area that needs posting is an address for International birth certificates from Zweibruken for those who want them. I will copy the letter I received and if they follow the directions then they will be able to apply fro that. My phone number is 604 541 9846. Christine Eden How I wish our government was as quick. I sent a request to Germany yesterday for an address for this registrar. It arrive immediately.
Dear Mrs. Eden,
we've received your request for a copy of your birth certificate. We still need your birth date to find it.Please tell us, if you will get a German or an international birth certificate and how many. Previously you have to send us the fee in the amount of 7,- Euro in cash (or the equivalent in Canadian $). If you'll get two birth certificates,you can send us the fee in the amount of 10,- Euro. Please send us only cash and not a money order, because the duty for discharge is too much. Please tell us your postal address.
Upon receipt, the birth certificate(so) will be forwarded to your address.
Our postal address is:
Standesamt Zweibruecken Herzogstr. 1
D-66482 Zweibruecken
Germany
Sincerely your
Mr. Seegmueller
Date: October 2nd, 2006
Name: Bill L
I was browsing the web last night and came across your sites. It certainly brought back many memories. I attended Schoenblik School from Sept./56 to June/59 (grades 11, 12 & 13).If you'd like to swap memories about the school and the base in general, I'd be pleased to hear from you. My email address is dblhdeagle@shaw.ca
Date: October 21, 2006
Name: Anne Miller
Please join me in sending condolences to Mike and Damian Firth who lost their mother, Norah, on September
5th.
Date: Thursday, August 24 at 07:34 PM
Host: CPE000cf189a323-CM00080d5fea84.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
Name: David McBeth
From: Dmcbeth@Rogers.Com
At 1 Wing as a brat 55-58.....Then Portage, Cold Lake, Borden. Now in
Markham, Ontario.. always intent on re-connecting with old friends. Will be at
Stittsville for 1 Wing Reunion Sep 8/9,2006.
Date: Wednesday, August 23 at 08:59 AM
Host: S0106000f3d5c6235.vs.shawcable.net
Name: Christine Eden
From: Christina2031@Shaw.Ca
Please go to blogger.com and access brats-status for important info on Brats
citizneship status
Date: Saturday, August 19 at 05:19 PM
Host: d207-6-217-166.bchsia.telus.net
Name: Wayne Turner
From: Donnawayneturner@Telus.Net
I'm trying to contact Judy Mitchell who was at 3 wing in 67 in grade 7 and
was posted with her familly to Comox BC. If anyone out there knows we would
appreciate an e-mail very much.
Date: Wednesday, August 16 at 04:09 PM
Host: Toronto-HSE-ppp3718279.sympatico.ca
Name: J.G. Roger Leroux
From: Jgrogerleroux@Sympatico.Ca
441 55-60 @ Marville Want to meet you in Ottawa (Stitsville) in Sep. Contact
me a bientot
Date: Sunday, August 13 at 01:56 AM
Host: p54835BAE.dip.t-dialin.net
Name: Markus Wolff
From: Markus.Wolff@Hotmail.De
looking for reunion of 3(F)Wing in Zweibrücken
Date: Tuesday, August 08 at 10:11 AM
Host: mail-ext.pc.gc.ca
Name: Phyllis (Regnier) Kennedy
From: Kennedype@Shaw.Ca
Was stationed all over with my dad - 55-59 Marville, France, 67-68 Zweibruken,
68-69 Lahr, 69-70 Baden. Was also in Lahr 76-80 with my husband.
Date: Saturday, August 05 at 02:44 PM
Host: CPE00508d6edf60-CM00152fc6e678.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
Name: Bob Lesouder
From: Soud53Af@Rogers.Com
marville reunion 7=8 sep 2006 stittsville ontario for all ex-marville
personnel
Date: Date: Tuesday, August 01 at 08:01 PM
Host: S0106000c41aae1a2.ca.shawcable.net
Name: Tom Newell
From: Newellt-N@Shaw.Ca
Am all booked to leave for Zweibruken on September 27th. Taking the folks as
Dad's 83 mother 79 and this will be their first time back since we were there
56-60 Will spend four days and take all the photos necessary. If anyone has any
requests please advise.
Date: Monday, July 31 at 09:01 PM
Host: 12.213.80.55
Name: Sonja (Edelmann)Rapp
From: Rappfam@Wildblue.Net
My correctemail address is rappfam@wildblue.net
Date: Monday, July 31 at 08:58 PM
Host: 12.213.80.58
Name: Sonja (Edelmann)Rapp
From: Rappfam@Wildblue.Com
looking for rcaf family who lived in contwig.butch.magaret,and daughter
lori.butch loved photography. If anyone can help, please email me.Thank you!
Date: Monday, July 31 at 07:54 PM
Host: 12.213.80.55
Name: Sonja (Edelmann) Rapp
From: Rappfam@Wildblue.Net
i'm from contwig,germany. looking for rcaf family who lived in contwig. his
name is butch,her name is magaret, daughters name is lori.
Date: Monday, July 31 at 07:39 AM
Host: 24-49-132-132.albyny.adelphia.net
Name: Gary Hat Haverland
From: Garyhaverland@Comcast.Net
Period May 1960 - May 1963
Date: Thursday, July 27 at 01:17 PM
Host: dsl-207-112-95-65.tor.primus.ca
Name: Diane
From: Naomimehew@Primus.Ca
Zweibrucken PFALZ 1957 - 1961, is any one out there???
Date: Thursday, July 27 at 12:53 PM
Host: dsl-207-112-95-65.tor.primus.ca
Name: Diane Carpener
From: Naomimehew@Primus.Ca
Hello to all , I went to school in the late 50's early 60's, I lived in (3
wing ). Bonnie or Carol Moore e-mail me if you read this, Diane Carpenter-Matull
Date: Monday, July 17 at 06:06 PM
Host: modemcable240.253-81-70.mc.videotron.ca
Name: Kelly Masson
From: Kmasson25@Hotmail.Com
The years I'm talking about are from 1956 to 1961 for photos.
Date: Sunday, July 16 at 03:10 PM
Host: modemcable240.253-81-70.mc.videotron.ca
Name: Kelly Masson
From: Kmasson25@Hotmail.Com
Looking for any base sports pictures (Teams) as dad played hockey, flag
football and softball. Also pictures of the crew of the Allouette squadron 434.
Date: Sunday, July 16 at 12:18 PM
Host: CPE001404666997-CM00137188b152.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
Name: Kimberley James
From: Northimport@Hotmail.Com
Looking for any copies of der Flugplatz 1965-1969 - father posted there Don
James...looking for any of the booklets in that time period
Date: Sunday, July 09 at 09:12 PM
Host: dhcp183-1-7.dsl.ucc-net.ca
Name: Bob Ayres
From: Bayres@Silk.Net
is the unknown "shapes" mug Mike Firth??
Date: Thursday, July 06 at 10:32 AM
Host: px1cv.gv.shawcable.net
Name: Susan Cameron
From: Sreischer@Shaw.Ca
Would love to know about some upcoming events from Zwiebrucken and Lahr and
have some contact also. I was born in Zwiebrucken in 1961 lived in Germany till
I was 11. Thank you
Date: Sunday, June 25 at 09:14 PM
Host: modemcable240.253-81-70.mc.videotron.ca
Name: Kelly Masson
From: Kmasson25@Hotmail.Com
The date on my previous message is today's date, note when I was there. I was
in Calgary in 1879/80.
Date: Sunday, June 25 at 09:11 PM
Host: modemcable240.253-81-70.mc.videotron.ca
Name: Kelly Masson
From: Kmasson25@Hotmail.Com
I was born in Zweibrucken in 1958. My dad was Vernon Masson. Would like to
hear from anyone who knew my parents or their parents that knew them. We went on
to Cold Lake, Bagotville, Val d'Or, borden and Ottawa. I was also in Calgary,
Currie Barracks. 25 June 2006
Date: Wednesday, June 21 at 08:52 PM
Host: d66-183-178-210.bchsia.telus.net
Name: John
From: John@Nowhereman.Com
hey i recognize that ed! well said! take care .. spammers beware, you don't
want us to get Ed after you!! Emails this refers to have been deleted
Date: Tuesday, May 30 at 12:45 PM
Host: 139.48.80.247
Name: Ed Swain
From: Somewhere...
Hi Mike, Remember you vaguely as well. Murray Chitra was in Grade 10 with me
and he has visited this board in the last year as he sent me an email. Saw all 3
of the Higgs girls in Ottawa when I went to University in the 70's. Lost track
of Bruce McKay who I knew pretty well then.
Date: Tuesday, May 30 at 12:22 PM
Host: HSE-Montreal-ppp144566.sympatico.ca
Name: Rick Graszat
From: Rick_Graszat@Msn.Com
Mike Newcombe remember me, Rick Graszat, used to go to Ramstein alot of
weekends and party with you guys. Hung out with the Higgs and went out with
Debbie Grant at one time. Archibald was just a tiny thing was she not?
Date: Thursday, May 25 at 12:11 PM
Host: 198.103.104.13
Name: Mike Newcombe
From: Mike.Newcombe@International.Gc.Ca
Just wanted to say hi and see if I could find any names I recognized. I lived
in Ramstein and went to school in Zwei '67-'68 along with Gordon Bell, the
"G" man, Bruce McKay, Murray Chitra, Barb Archibald until the base
shut down. Then they shipped us off to Kaiserslautern American High School in
'69. But if any of the names ring a bell, including mine, send me an email. I'd
love to hear from you, and thanks for the memories...
Date: Wednesday, May 24 at 10:56 AM
Host: 205dot9.kpt.nuwc.navy.mil
Name: Dan Duff
From: Danduff@Shaw.Ca
Hi there. Still looking to get in touch with Mike Funk, David Osbourne, any
other 50 yr. olds? from Zwei '62-'66
Date: Monday, May 22 at 05:07 PM
Host: CPE0015f2535aab-CM000a73660d6c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
Name: Diane Killaire
From: Dkillaire@Rogers.Com
Anyone remember the "Perminators".... Mark Webster ( I still have
the Parkbrau coaster), Don Thompson et al. Love to hear from Richard Labonte and
Conrad Lewis.
Date: Sunday, May 07 at 01:24 PM
Host: 110-host63.planetc.com
Name: Fred Giles
From: Gilesfn@Planetc.Com
I was in the 690st SCG USAF from 31Dec59 to Apr 1963
Date: Friday, May 05 at 09:32 AM
Host: 67.71.126.252
Name: Karen (Smith) Richards
From: Krichards8@Sympatico.Ca
We were stationed in Zweibrucken in 1953. My dad was F/O W.G.
("Bill") Smith. I am looking for information about him for a Heritage
Scrapbook that I am doing. I would appreciate any e-mails from anyone who knew
him.
Date: Wednesday, April 26 at 03:02 PM
Host: proxy-w.ccra-adrc.gc.ca
Name: Chris Hughes
From: Micielo@Shaw.Ca
Fond emories of 3 Wing. Was there 63 - 67
Date: Thursday, April 20 at 08:40 AM
Host: humpty.tpsgc.gc.ca
Name: Linda Schingh
From: Linda.J.Seguin@Pwgsc.Gc.Ca
Does any remember the Schingh family . We lived on the base from 1960-1967.
Date: Monday, April 17 at 05:40 AM
Host: leonet.royalbank.com
Name: Chris Kemp
From: Chris.Kemp@Yahoo.Ca
I was born in 53', spent from 55' to 62' in St. Hubert...Names I remember,
Harry Parslow, Shaun Sandilands, Debby Bartlet...ringin' any bells ?
Date: Wednesday, April 05 at 03:42 PM
Host: blk-224-220-130.eastlink.ca
Name: Ken Lalonde
From: Kennethlalonde@Eastlink.Ca
I would like to know if anyone remebers Don Funk ,If so would they please let
me know how to get a hold of him Thanks and I would like to hear from anyone
that remembers myself and my brother Daryl. Our parents ran the teen club down
at hte PMQ's
Date: Sunday, April 02 at 09:57 PM
Host: wnpgmb11dc1-171-242.dynamic.mts.net
Name: Graham Asmundson
From: Poodle@Mts.Net
I was there from 1962-1966, age 10 to 14, grade 5 teacher was Miss DeLorme,
grade 6 was Miss Horne, grade 7 was Mr. DeKay, and grade 8 was miss Konopka.
some of my friends were Reg Jefferd, Mike Jackson, Peter Meehan, Don Thompson,
Mike Cormier and Bob Fallis. Anyone remember me?
Date: Tuesday, March 28 at 08:42 AM
Host: S0106001310268918.cc.shawcable.net
Name: Dj Dave Godfrey
From: Davegod@Shaw.Ca
Just wondering if there is anyone going to the PC Arena/Flyers Reunion in
September? We aren't going, but I know of several from here in the Comox Valley
who are. Just curious if there are others booked. Cheers, Dave
Date: Saturday, March 11 at 07:03 PM
Host: ip-d88be176.netnation.com
Name: Penny Pollard-Douven
From: Minou@Netidea.Com
My maiden name was Heighton, brother Jack and siter Jocelyn...Feel free to
email me, love to hear from old school mates
Date: Saturday, March 11 at 06:41 PM
Host: ip-d88be176.netnation.com
Name: Penny Pollard-Douven
From: Minou@Netidea.Com
I lived at 33 Quebecstrasse and also attended Shoenblick School..REturned to
Canada in 1962
Date: Tuesday, February 28 at 05:56 PM
Host: xtreme-11-146.dyn.aci.on.ca
Name: Renee-Ann Hay
From: Rahay61@Yahoo.Ca
Looking for any information on Flight Officer Gus Meinert. Was in 3 wing Cold
Lake until '59 when he moved to Senneterre. I believe he ewas in Rockcliffe in
the early 70's as a Major. Anyone know of him? Need info badly!
Date: Tuesday, February 21 at 11:32 AM
Host: T8bc1.t.pppool.de
Name: John Adey
From: John@Johns-Place.De
Please have a look at my homepage. www.johns-place.de. If you like it I would
appreciate a link on your site. Thanks
Date: Wednesday, February 15 at 04:41 PM
Host: toronto-HSE-ppp4139589.sympatico.ca
Name: Duncan MacPhee
From: Macphed@Sympatico.Ca
Is there a reunion this summer?
Date: Thursday, February 09 at 09:44 PM
Host: dialin-207-153-26-95.edm.oa.net
Name: Doug. Fraser
From: Friz@Oanet.Com
In Zwei, 1957 - 1960 . You might find some references to us in the old "Der
Schoenblick" High School yearbooks from those years! Greetings to all of
you!
Date: Monday, February 06 at 12:00 PM
Host: CPE0011113c4a0c-CM0014f85a007e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
Name: Dave Lamoureux
From: Lammy@Rogers.Com
Lived at 3 Wing, 1958-60. Dad Cpl W. Lamoureux
Date: Monday, February 06 at 02:48 AM
Host: HSE-Ottawa-ppp3495353.sympatico.ca
Name: Rick Graszat
From: Rick_Graszat@Msn.Com
Hi Rick Sanders. They have hockey in N.C. ? Just kidding. No haven't heard
from Cubbins. Hope all is well with you and hope to see you one of these days.
Date: Sunday, February 05 at 06:08 AM
Host: rrcs-24-172-255-130.midsouth.biz.rr.com
Name: Rick Sanders
From: Ricksanders2003@Yahoo.Com
Hi R. Graszat. Just a quick note. Living in Raleigh, NC. Still playing hockey
with the grey haired boys here in Ralleigh. Have you ever heard from David
Cubbins?
Date: Tuesday, January 24 at 03:44 PM
Host: CPE004f4e127b04-CM0011aea0fa36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
Name: Don Dunn
From: Dunner_Dj@Hotmail.Com
looking for any cfb calgary brats from the mid sixties to early 70s
Date: Monday, January 23 at 12:55 PM
Host: Kb6a9.k.pppool.de
Name: John Adey
From: John@Johns-Place.De
Hi to all!! My homepage is now up and running. Please come on by and remember
the good old days.
Date: Monday, January 23 at 07:11 AM
Host: adsl-6-34-78.tys.bellsouth.net
Name: Ken Garland
From: Kengarland@Bellsouth.Net
I'm looking for the Linda Lobb who used to work for the student newspaper at
Memphis State University. She now has her own graphics business in Memphis,
Tenn. Anyone with a current e-mail address and telephone number, please message
me. Thanks.
Date: Sunday, January 22 at 11:04 AM
Host: S0106000d8846b1ce.wp.shawcable.net
Name: Mel Marsh
From: Mmarsh44@Shaw.Ca
I have just read through the messages, and saw names that I recognized. It is
good to see their names and remember 3 Wing. I am doing this because I ran into
Bud Kelly who played on the Senior Flyer hockey team when I played on the Junior
Flyer hockey team. He told me about the Peter Cunningham Memorial Arena Reunion.
So I Googled the Peter Cunningham arena and found this site. It was fun to read
all the messages. Thanks.
Date: Wednesday, January 18 at 09:35 AM
Host: HSE-Ottawa-ppp3495262.sympatico.ca
Name: Rick Graszat
From: Rick_Graszat@Msn.Com
Would be nice. LIke i have said i was at the one in Halifax no 3 wingers just
4 of us from Lahr we really basically fended for ourselves. Didn't really get
included or asked to participate ion any extras.
Date: Tuesday, January 17 at 08:13 AM
Host: mail.trinidaddrilling.com
Name: Mike Ferster
From: Mferster@Trinidaddrilling.Com
So is there any other interested parties in going to the Calgary BRAT reunion
in Aug 06? It would be nice to have a group of 3 wingers show.
Date: Tuesday, January 17 at 01:22 AM
Host: 209.52.82.187
Name: Brian Bleakney
From: Bjbleakney@Hotmail.Com
Hey! I'm single again; Any CFB Bagotville (69-71) friends out there?
Date: Saturday, January 14 at 11:59 AM
Host: CPE00301b3f1da6-CM0014f85e7b3a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
Name: Janet
From: Hickeyjl@Rogers.Com
Father Leonard Saulnier was stationed at 3 wing in the early 60's. I was born
there but don't remember anything about it always looking for pictures and
stuff!
Date: Saturday, January 14 at 07:31 AM
Host: 69-19-139-145.nocal.dialup.o1.com
Name: Jan
From: Sanag4@Cwnet.Com
I Am the granddaughter of Thomas Lopthien, daughter of Desmond, neice of John
Date: Friday, January 06 at 04:08 PM
Host: 24.66.94.144
Name: Bonnie Schram
From: Bdm3@Shaw.Ca
Happy New Year all.Just to set the record straight, I am not organizing the
reunion. I was sent the web address a while ago and checked it periodically to
see if anyone from 3 Wing had registered. The only names are Mike and Sue
Ferster. I realized the other day that the deposit was due shortly, so I emailed
a bunch of 3 Wingers. I would like to take credit for organizing it as the
committee has done a lot of work but I am only a messenger...LOL!!! Hope to see
lots of 3 Wingers there.!
Date: Friday, January 06 at 10:16 AM
Host: px1cv.gv.shawcable.net
Name: Dave Godfrey
From: Davegod@Shaw.Ca
Happy New Year everyone. For those whoe may not be aware, Bonnie Schram is
organizing another reunion this August in Calgary, and she sent out this short
note in an email. Time is running short if your interested...."I'm trying
to let everyone know about a reunion this summer in Calgary. Address below and a
$50.00 deposit is required by Feb 1st. hope to see you there.
www.lahr.myevent.com Bonnie"
Date: Monday, January 02 at 01:58 PM
Host: d142-179-249-13.abhsia.telus.net
Name: Ann Ward
From: Somewhere...
Lived on the base Currie for most of the 60's and 70's, went to the Base
schools.
Date: Sunday, January 01 at 09:59 AM
Host: d205-250-160-31.bchsia.telus.net
Name: Bill Stockdale
From: Stockdale@Telus.Net
Happy New Year everyone!! Hope 2005 was everything you wished for and 2006 is
even better
Date: Friday, December 30 at 06:33 PM
Host: S0106001346a3fd0d.no.shawcable.net
Name: Cyril McFate
From: Cmcfate@Msn.Com
Stationed at 3 wing from 1962 - 1967 Armament Systems Tech. Played inter-mess
hockey, helped with "C" League hockey. Retired in 1995 as LCol. AERE.
Date: Wednesday, December 28 at 10:59 AM
Host: Ottawa-HSE-ppp263609.sympatico.ca
Name: James (Red) Wishart
From: Red.Bev@Sympatico.Ca
Served in Zwei from 61 to 63 as an EtechA at 427 sqn and base maintenance.
Great place and time for a single guy!!! Anyboby know the whereabouts of Stan
and Kathy Rayner? Great site...keep up the good work!!
Date: Wednesday, December 28 at 10:55 AM
Host: brndmb02dc1-193-51.dynamic.mts.net
Name: Jim Cockburn
From: Jacockburn@Mts.Net
hope to hear from someone that was in 3 wing from 60-64
Date: Saturday, December 24 at 10:28 PM
Host: d199-126-43-19.abhsia.telus.net
Name: Don Goulder
From: Goulder@Telus.Net
The blanks are a bummer but Merry Christmas to all! Lets hope that we will
still have this site for 2006
Date: Monday, December 12 at 03:59 AM
Host: toronto-HSE-ppp3996342.sympatico.ca
Name: Rick Graszat
From: Rick_Graszat@Msn.Com
Thanks for clearing that up John. If you do see Pat could you tell her to get
in touch with me please. Thanks.
Date: Sunday, December 11 at 05:25 PM
Host: d64-180-217-177.bchsia.telus.net
Name: John
From: Jclarks@Islandnet.Ca
Hi everyone. the blanks are spammers. From time to time i clean this up. Dave
Godfrey often lets me know if there is garbage on board! And i'm not the john c
who was asking rick the fight question, although i work nearby Pat!
Date: Monday, December 05 at 08:24 PM
Host: banana.net.gov.bc.ca
Name: Linda Lobb (Shaw)
From: Llobb@Sd53.Bc.Ca
Uplands 1960 - 1964 Marville France 1964 -1966 looking for contacts
Date: Saturday, December 03 at 10:36 PM
Host: pool-71-99-2-239.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net
Name: Mary
From: Ilubabas@Hotmail.Com
trying to locate Jerry Collins who was stationed at 3 Wing 63 ??
Date: Wednesday, November 23 at 02:41 AM
Host: HSE-Kitchener-ppp3507042.sympatico.ca
Name: Rick Graszat
From: Rick_Graszat@Msn.Com
What's with all the blanks?
Date: Monday, November 14 at 12:10 AM
Host: toronto-HSE-ppp3982675.sympatico.ca
Name: Rick Graszat
From: Rick_Graszat@Msn.Com
Yes that was me and it was over Pam.